Laptops, Tablets & Desktops

Anonymous

Only $100 more than M3/16GB/256GB?

1 year ago Up 4 | Reply

Anonymous

with M4 MacBook Air being released, should expect older M2, M3 versions of MacBook see additional drops in price.

1 year ago Up 4 | Reply

Anonymous

Is it real the heating issue reported for this chipset?

1 year ago Up 3 | Reply

Anonymous

I am typing on the same machine. I don't find any heating issues. //@Anonymous: Is it real the heating issue reported for this chipset?

10 months ago Up 1 | Reply

Anonymous

i still want to the m3 chips of either mba or mini, because external monitors dont work well with m4.

10 months ago Up 3 | Reply

Anonymous

its work for me, don't know why its not working for you //@Anonymous: i still want to the m3 chips of either mba or mini, because external monitors dont work well with m4.

10 months ago Up 1 | Reply

Anonymous

Who said so? //@Anonymous: i still want to the m3 chips of either mba or mini, because external monitors dont work well with m4.

10 months ago Up 3 | Reply

Anonymous

256GB? Apple are push you pay expensive iCloud monthly fee.

9 months ago Up 4 | Reply

Anonymous

Listed price at Costco.com is $949 (06/19/2025)

9 months ago Up 1 | Reply

Anonymous

Costco is $849.

8 months ago Up 1 | Reply

Anonymous

I'd pay $50 more for the 15' at $899

8 months ago Up 2 | Reply

Anonymous

Where? //@Anonymous: I'd pay $50 more for the 15' at $899

8 months ago Up 1 | Reply

Anonymous

Really? Where //@anonymous: I'd pay $50 more for the 15' at $899

8 months ago Up 2 | Reply

Anonymous

That’s the military price and the commenter forgets not everyone qualifies for that. So not apples to apples comparison //@anonymous: Really? Where //@anonymous: I'd pay $50 more for the 15' at $899

7 months ago Up 1 | Reply

Anonymous

256 gb. Even the phone has more storage

4 months ago Up 2 | Reply

Anonymous

If you use cloud storage, that is more than enough //@Anonymous: 256 gb. Even the phone has more storage

4 months ago Up 1 | Reply

Anonymous

i think apple just wants to push people to buy its cloud subscription. 2TB plan is good enough for a bunch of devices for a whole family, if do family sharing.

4 months ago Up 1 | Reply

Anonymous

waiting for 120hz screen

4 months ago Up 1 | Reply

Anonymous

Thanks, got 1 at BestBuy with the matching price. 11/6/25 @$749

4 months ago Up 2 | Reply

Anonymous

I am coder and I used Apple Air for one year. Now about 300G used. If you clean it harder, $256GB is probably OK. But 512 GB is in sweet spot.

3 months ago Up 2 | Reply

Anonymous

Got the 512 GB version for about 800 total after eBay 20% pay in 4 discount

3 months ago Up 1 | Reply

Anonymous

Costco 's online price is $849.99. Price will expire tomorrow 8/23/2026.

3 weeks ago Up 0 | Reply

Anonymous

wasn't this $749 last Nov/Dec...

2 days ago Up 0 | Reply

Anonymous

That was 8GB memory //@Anonymous: wasn't this $749 last Nov/Dec...

58 minutes ago Up 0 | Reply

Anonymous

Wait for M10

1 week ago Up 0 | Reply

Anonymous

Thanks Dealsea!

2 years ago Up 2 | Reply

Anonymous

Terrible product.

1 year ago Up 4 | Reply

Anonymous

Why is it terrible? Thinking about getting one. //@Anonymous: Terrible product.

1 year ago Up 2 | Reply

Anonymous

FANDUA5765 Not working

1 year ago Up 1 | Reply

Anonymous

Eat dust product

1 year ago Up 6 | Reply

Anonymous

Well when you compare it to Apple Vision it’s just terrible. Why not just buy Apple Vision? //@anonymous: Why is it terrible? Thinking about getting one. //@Anonymous: Terrible product.

1 year ago Up 3 | Reply

Anonymous

Seriously? Vision Pro price is 6x even if you get the employee discount. I would go for Quest 3 when it's below 400$. //@Anonymous: Well when you compare it to Apple Vision it’s just terrible. Why not just buy Apple Vision? //@anonymous: Why is it terrible? Thinking about getting one. //@Anonymous: Terrible product.

1 year ago Up 1 | Reply

Anonymous

Wh does prune matter at all? The only things that matter are quality and prestige. That’s why people choose Vision. //@anonymous: Seriously? Vision Pro price is 6x even if you get the employee discount. I would go for Quest 3 when it's below 400$. //@Anonymous: Well when you compare it to Apple Vision it’s just terrible. Why not just buy Apple Vision? //@anonymous: Why is it terrible? Thinking about getting one. //@Anonymous: Terrible product.

1 year ago Up 3 | Reply

Anonymous

What can these VR headset be used for? Looks terrible on face.

1 year ago Up 1 | Reply

Anonymous

just for fun, not really a must have production.

1 year ago Up 1 | Reply

Anonymous

Nothing matters more to me than prunes //@anonymous: Wh does prune matter at all? The only things that matter are quality and prestige. That’s why people choose Vision. //@anonymous: Seriously? Vision Pro price is 6x even if you get the employee discount. I would go for Quest 3 when it's below 400$. //@Anonymous: Well when you compare it to Apple Vision it’s just terrible. Why not just buy Apple Vision? //@anonymous: Why is it terrible? Thinking about getting one. //@Anonymous: Terrible product.

1 year ago Up 0 | Reply

Anonymous

Costco $399 noe

1 year ago Up 0 | Reply

Anonymous

STAPLES 299

1 year ago Up 0 | Reply

Anonymous

Staples does not sell any models of meta quest at all //@anonymous: STAPLES 299

1 year ago Up 0 | Reply

Anonymous

Best Buy went OOS during my checkout.

1 year ago Up 0 | Reply

Anonymous

Target $499 for Quest 3 512GB

1 year ago Up 0 | Reply

Anonymous

Now I'm wanting to wait to see how much the new valve head set is.

3 months ago Up 0 | Reply

Anonymous

Wow! golden color?

1 year ago Up 1 | Reply

Anonymous

After tariff or before tariffs price?

11 months ago Up 1 | Reply

Anonymous

adjust your screen, it's yellow, like my dad //@Anonymous: Wow! golden color?

9 months ago Up 0 | Reply

Anonymous

Is this a deal? Thanks

4 months ago Up 1 | Reply

Anonymous

NO //@anonymous: Is this a deal? Thanks

3 months ago Up 2 | Reply

Anonymous

Apple putting 2 Gen old CPU into new release device is so silly.

12 months ago Up 20 | Reply

Anonymous

I picked 1 in microcenter for 250 yesterday

8 months ago Up 14 | Reply

Anonymous

Pass.....eventhough its NEW but does not support Apple Intelligence. Are you kidding me?

1 year ago Up 10 | Reply

Anonymous

Pass.....eventhough its NEW but does not support Apple Intelligence. Are you kidding me?

1 year ago Up 10 | Reply

Anonymous

U really think you can't live without Apple Intelligence? //@Anonymous: Pass.....eventhough its NEW but does not support Apple Intelligence. Are you kidding me?

1 year ago Up 8 | Reply

Anonymous

Apple putting 2 Gen old CPU into new release device is so silly.

12 months ago Up 20 | Reply

Anonymous

It’s not about living with or without it but more of there is no reason to upgrade from 2022 model //@anonymous: U really think you can't live without Apple Intelligence? //@Anonymous: Pass.....eventhough its NEW but does not support Apple Intelligence. Are you kidding me?

12 months ago Up 2 | Reply

Anonymous

I am buying generation 11 and not 10 because i have iphone 15. this way i will have a same micro-UsbC charger. //@anonymous: It’s not about living with or without it but more of there is no reason to upgrade from 2022 model //@anonymous: U really think you can't live without Apple Intelligence? //@Anonymous: Pass.....eventhough its NEW but does not support Apple Intelligence. Are you kidding me?

11 months ago Up 2 | Reply

Anonymous

not avbl in walmart

10 months ago Up 2 | Reply

Anonymous

$299 now in Walmart.

10 months ago Up 2 | Reply

Anonymous

What is micro usb c ? //@anonymous: I am buying generation 11 and not 10 because i have iphone 15. this way i will have a same micro-UsbC charger. //@anonymous: It’s not about living with or without it but more of there is no reason to upgrade from 2022 model //@anonymous: U really think you can't live without Apple Intelligence? //@Anonymous: Pass.....eventhough its NEW but does not support Apple Intelligence. Are you kidding me?

9 months ago Up 2 | Reply

Anonymous

what can you ask for $300 but still better OS than everything under $300 //@Anonymous: Apple putting 2 Gen old CPU into new release device is so silly.

9 months ago Up 9 | Reply

Anonymous

I picked 1 in microcenter for 250 yesterday

8 months ago Up 14 | Reply

Anonymous

It is usually sold at $275 on Amazon

7 months ago Up 2 | Reply

Anonymous

Come on,

6 months ago Up 1 | Reply

haleydirect

How to get $219?

6 months ago Up 2 | Reply

Anonymous

Stopping showing the price on title that most people cannot get

6 months ago Up 2 | Reply

Anonymous

You are so brave!
//@anonymous: Stopping showing the price on title that most people cannot get

6 months ago Up 2 | Reply

Anonymous

showing 349$ on the website //@anonymous: I picked 1 in microcenter for 250 yesterday

5 months ago Up 0 | Reply

Anonymous

Is it the best price?

2 months ago Up 1 | Reply

Anonymous

I remember thanksgiving had $279

4 days ago Up 0 | Reply

Anonymous

Because of AI, the hardware upgrading is faster than before. It is a joke that a one year old model is only $50 off, The new model would be similar price with much better hardware just like iohone 17 series. //@anonymous: I remember thanksgiving had $279

4 days ago Up 0 | Reply

Anonymous

I still feel Gen 2 is most comfortable

1 year ago Up 75 | Reply

Anonymous

I still feel Gen 2 is most comfortable

1 year ago Up 75 | Reply

Anonymous

it's $127.11 on Amazon now

1 year ago Up 3 | Reply

Anonymous

Really sleek

1 year ago Up 2 | Reply

Anonymous

I know! These are just as beautiful and stylish as other Apple products! //@Anonymous: Really sleek

1 year ago Up 0 | Reply

Anonymous

Best Buy webpage: Error symbol
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1 year ago Up 0 | Reply

Anonymous

Target also same price plus 5pct off with Redcard

1 year ago Up 4 | Reply

Anonymous

Amazon has it. But this is without noise cancellation.

10 months ago Up 2 | Reply

Anonymous

I have a pair of each type and find that they all feel good at different times of day. It's definitely worth buying all of them instead of being cheap and only buying one. //@Anonymous: I still feel Gen 2 is most comfortable

9 months ago Up 3 | Reply

Anonymous

As of 10/14, the price listed at Target is $129.99

5 months ago Up 1 | Reply

Anonymous

Which is better: AirPods 4 or AirPods 3 Pro?

4 months ago Up 0 | Reply

Anonymous

AirPods Pro 3 has live translation. //@anonymous: Which is better: AirPods 4 or AirPods 3 Pro?

4 months ago Up 2 | Reply

Anonymous

AirPods 4 has it too //@anonymous: AirPods Pro 3 has live translation. //@anonymous: Which is better: AirPods 4 or AirPods 3 Pro?

4 months ago Up 1 | Reply

Anonymous

11/15/25 both Amazon and BB $84.99

4 months ago Up 0 | Reply

Anonymous

pro 2 has translation too. //@Anonymous: AirPods 4 has it too //@anonymous: AirPods Pro 3 has live translation. //@anonymous: Which is better: AirPods 4 or AirPods 3 Pro?

4 months ago Up 1 | Reply

Anonymous

are you sure？Any one can confirm this? //@Anonymous: pro 2 has translation too. //@Anonymous: AirPods 4 has it too //@anonymous: AirPods Pro 3 has live translation. //@anonymous: Which is better: AirPods 4 or AirPods 3 Pro?

3 months ago Up 0 | Reply

Anonymous

Only the noise cancellation version //@anonymous: AirPods 4 has it too //@anonymous: AirPods Pro 3 has live translation. //@anonymous: Which is better: AirPods 4 or AirPods 3 Pro?

3 months ago Up 2 | Reply

Anonymous

Target is 69.99 now

3 months ago Up 2 | Reply

Shark005

Could someone tell me when the deal will expire?

3 months ago Up 0 | Reply

Anonymous

Live Translation with AirPods works on the latest models—specifically AirPods 4 (ANC), AirPods Pro 2, and AirPods Pro 3—when paired with an iPhone 15 Pro or later running iOS 26 (with Apple Intelligence enabled).

2 months ago Up 0 | Reply

Anonymous

Is this a good price ?

1 week ago Up 0 | Reply

Anonymous

No, you can get the M5 version that was just announced instead for the same price. 16GB and 512GB comes standard now. //@Anonymous: Is this a good price ?

1 week ago Up 1 | Reply

Anonymous

How to get 1149 from Costo (showing up as 1349)

1 week ago Up 0 | Reply

Anonymous

With Macbook Neo at $499, all these low grade laptops are going to meet their well deserved end. I hope they do.

18 hours ago Up 2 | Reply

Anonymous

Whoopty doo dah, this is another fine Apple deal!

2 years ago Up 3 | Reply

Anonymous

Great deal, Apple invented USB-C and pencil

2 years ago Up 6 | Reply

Anonymous

lol //@anonymous: Great deal, Apple invented USB-C and pencil

2 years ago Up 6 | Reply

Anonymous

Apple tax isn’t worth it except for the phone //@anonymous: Whoopty doo dah, this is another fine Apple deal!

2 years ago Up 1 | Reply

Anonymous

Please add "for me". //@Anonymous: Apple tax isn’t worth it except for the phone //@anonymous: Whoopty doo dah, this is another fine Apple deal!

2 years ago Up 4 | Reply

Anonymous

I have a pen, I have an apple, X, apple pen

2 years ago Up 4 | Reply

Anonymous

Apple invented Art and Beauty. //@Anonymous: lol //@anonymous: Great deal, Apple invented USB-C and pencil

1 year ago Up 4 | Reply

Anonymous

And love! //@anonymous: Apple invented Art and Beauty. //@Anonymous: lol //@anonymous: Great deal, Apple invented USB-C and pencil

1 year ago Up 3 | Reply

Anonymous

Apple invented human //@anonymous: Apple invented Art and Beauty. //@Anonymous: lol //@anonymous: Great deal, Apple invented USB-C and pencil

1 year ago Up 7 | Reply

Anonymous

Apple re-invented $59.1 //@Anonymous: Apple invented human //@anonymous: Apple invented Art and Beauty. //@Anonymous: lol //@anonymous: Great deal, Apple invented USB-C and pencil

8 months ago Up 0 | Reply

Anonymous

cannot charge from ipad, pass

2 weeks ago Up 0 | Reply

Anonymous

$200 for just 256GB

6 months ago Up 1 | Reply

Anonymous

That is Apple's trick. For me, 512GB seems to be the minimal disk space I need. After one year of usage, I used about 260GB as a developer. So I will have to pay the $200 for that 256GB. //@Anonymous: $200 for just 256GB

6 months ago Up 2 | Reply

Anonymous

The listed price at Costco is : $1049 (as of 10/20/2025). Specs : M4 chip; 512GB; 16GB

4 months ago Up 0 | Reply

Anonymous

BnHphoto is $999 now (free tax using their credit-card).

4 months ago Up 1 | Reply

Anonymous

949.99 at Costco too //@Anonymous: BnHphoto is $999 now (free tax using their credit-card).

4 months ago Up 0 | Reply

Anonymous

Should I wait till later in the month in case of a bigger discount, or is this a low price?

4 months ago Up 1 | Reply

Anonymous

Also want to know! //@Anonymous: Should I wait till later in the month in case of a bigger discount, or is this a low price?

4 months ago Up 0 | Reply

Anonymous

It always becomes cheaper //@anonymous: Also want to know! //@Anonymous: Should I wait till later in the month in case of a bigger discount, or is this a low price?

4 months ago Up 0 | Reply

Anonymous

have been $949.99 at Costco since Nov. 2025

3 months ago Up 0 | Reply

Anonymous

Best Buy offers - Free $25 e-gift card when you buy a select MacBook Air 13" (M4) model

3 months ago Up 0 | Reply

Anonymous

double check if they were 16GB and 512GB //@Anonymous: have been $949.99 at Costco since Nov. 2025

1 week ago Up 0 | Reply

Anonymous

$899 (amazon, silver) is a good deal for 16RAM + 512SSD configuration

1 week ago Up 2 | Reply

Anonymous

Bought open box one for $680 from BB.

1 week ago Up 1 | Reply

Anonymous

My previous order of $24 was cancelled by Apple !!!

4 months ago Up 10 | Reply

Anonymous

useless. I bought them a couple years ago and used them once and totally forgot I have them.

1 year ago Up 4 | Reply

Anonymous

put these in your car, and you will never forget where you park. Plus god for bid if your car was stolen you can trace it real time and let the police know the exact location of your car. //@anonymous: useless. I bought them a couple years ago and used them once and totally forgot I have them.

1 year ago Up 6 | Reply

Anonymous

They need an iPhone close by to transmit location //@anonymous: put these in your car, and you will never forget where you park. Plus god for bid if your car was stolen you can trace it real time and let the police know the exact location of your car. //@anonymous: useless. I bought them a couple years ago and used them once and totally forgot I have them.

1 year ago Up 3 | Reply

Anonymous

Good thing there are iPhones EVERYWHERE then, right? //@anonymous: They need an iPhone close by to transmit location //@anonymous: put these in your car, and you will never forget where you park. Plus god for bid if your car was stolen you can trace it real time and let the police know the exact location of your car. //@anonymous: useless. I bought them a couple years ago and used them once and totally forgot I have them.

1 year ago Up 3 | Reply

Anonymous

sounds like a personal problem; I use mine all the time, great price! //@Anonymous: useless. I bought them a couple years ago and used them once and totally forgot I have them.

1 year ago Up 4 | Reply

Anonymous

No kidding! I have a colleague who did exact that to recover his car being stolen. //@Anonymous: put these in your car, and you will never forget where you park. Plus god for bid if your car was stolen you can trace it real time and let the police know the exact location of your car. //@anonymous: useless. I bought them a couple years ago and used them once and totally forgot I have them.

1 year ago Up 4 | Reply

Anonymous

Eats up battery quickly. Replaced batteries within 2 weeks.

1 year ago Up 4 | Reply

Anonymous

Sounds like you were using it wrong. //@Anonymous: Eats up battery quickly. Replaced batteries within 2 weeks.

8 months ago Up 1 | Reply

Anonymous

You may be using wrong battery. You need 2032 battery -- 2025 battery also work in powering it up but the capacity of 2025 battery is way smaller than 2032 and it will drain super quickly. //@Anonymous: Eats up battery quickly. Replaced batteries within 2 weeks.

8 months ago Up 2 | Reply

Anonymous

Remove the vibrator/speaker and place it in a secrete place in your car. The best and cheapest way to locate your car in case it get stolen.

8 months ago Up 2 | Reply

Anonymous

Happened to me and I was using Duracell 2032 //@anonymous: Eats up battery quickly. Replaced batteries within 2 weeks.

8 months ago Up 3 | Reply

Anonymous

Unless the one stole car does not use iphone, otherwise, he will be alerted that airtag following him //@Anonymous: Remove the vibrator/speaker and place it in a secrete place in your car. The best and cheapest way to locate your car in case it get stolen.

5 months ago Up 4 | Reply

Anonymous

I successfully located my kid stroller when we took trip in Europe and made connection in Germany. No one speaks English well and no one can tell whether our stroller is at the gate or in baggage claim or somewhere else.

5 months ago Up 1 | Reply

Anonymous

Looks like a newer version is coming.

5 months ago Up 3 | Reply

Anonymous

Wow, I always struggle to imagine Apple Products getting even BETTER, but they somehow manage to pull it off. I cannot wait for the new AirTags!! //@Anonymous: Looks like a newer version is coming.

5 months ago Up 4 | Reply

Anonymous

Great product

5 months ago Up 4 | Reply

Anonymous

even android phones alert on airtag following, not just iPhones. //@Anonymous: Unless the one stole car does not use iphone, otherwise, he will be alerted that airtag following him //@Anonymous: Remove the vibrator/speaker and place it in a secrete place in your car. The best and cheapest way to locate your car in case it get stolen.

5 months ago Up 2 | Reply

Anonymous

I gave these out to trick-or-treaters last Halloween. Can't wait to do it again. The kids are so happy to get them.

4 months ago Up 8 | Reply

Anonymous

I know you’re joking, but if you want angry mob of parents with pitchforks at your house, that is one way to do it. Expensive too. //@anonymous: I gave these out to trick-or-treaters last Halloween. Can't wait to do it again. The kids are so happy to get them.

4 months ago Up 3 | Reply

Anonymous

My previous order of $24 was cancelled by Apple !!!

4 months ago Up 10 | Reply

Anonymous

Even if it's true, I didn't care about it since it has worked perfectly //@Anonymous: Good thing there are iPhones EVERYWHERE then, right? //@anonymous: They need an iPhone close by to transmit location //@anonymous: put these in your car, and you will never forget where you park. Plus god for bid if your car was stolen you can trace it real time and let the police know the exact location of your car. //@anonymous: useless. I bought them a couple years ago and used them once and totally forgot I have them.

1 month ago Up 0 | Reply

Anonymous

why Amazon hasn't matched Costco's price yet?

4 months ago Up 1 | Reply

Anonymous

Because Costco costs membership fee to reach the lower price. //@Anonymous: why Amazon hasn't matched Costco's price yet?

4 months ago Up 2 | Reply

Anonymous

239 at costco

3 months ago Up 0 | Reply

Anonymous

No deal, you can M5 for same price

6 days ago Up 1 | Reply

Anonymous

Outdated display and slow performance. Buy it if looking for cheap one.

1 year ago Up 2 | Reply

Anonymous

It ain't slow for work. //@Anonymous: Outdated display and slow performance. Buy it if looking for cheap one.

1 year ago Up 2 | Reply

Anonymous

its not sleek like book pro models. But good config.

1 year ago Up 0 | Reply

Anonymous

FHD kills the deal.

1 year ago Up 0 | Reply

Anonymous

Just don’t get it! I have 3 and this camera is full of glitches and issues! Customer support has no solution to the problem!

1 year ago Up 3 | Reply

Anonymous

what issue do you have? mine is fine. //@Anonymous: Just don’t get it! I have 3 and this camera is full of glitches and issues! Customer support has no solution to the problem!

1 year ago Up 1 | Reply

Anonymous

yea, no issues with mine also.

1 year ago Up 0 | Reply

Anonymous

Non sense //@anonymous: Just don’t get it! I have 3 and this camera is full of glitches and issues! Customer support has no solution to the problem!

3 months ago Up 0 | Reply

Anonymous

How do you get the issues? Mine works great for years //@Anonymous: Just don’t get it! I have 3 and this camera is full of glitches and issues! Customer support has no solution to the problem!

3 months ago Up 1 | Reply

Anonymous

That was probably one of those fake reviews. Mine is working perfectly. //@Anonymous: How do you get the issues? Mine works great for years //@Anonymous: Just don’t get it! I have 3 and this camera is full of glitches and issues! Customer support has no solution to the problem!

3 months ago Up 2 | Reply

Anonymous

Mine work fine too for years

3 months ago Up 4 | Reply

Anonymous

Have 2 of these, both work fine, no issues at all.

2 months ago Up 0 | Reply

Anonymous

Have 8 of these, all work fine, no issues at all.

2 months ago Up 1 | Reply

Anonymous

Do you need to pay subscribe fees every year? //@anonymous: Have 8 of these, all work fine, no issues at all.

1 month ago Up 0 | Reply

Anonymous

I bought a hub where i plug in a 256 flash drive to store all video. No need of subscription. //@Anonymous: Do you need to pay subscribe fees every year? //@anonymous: Have 8 of these, all work fine, no issues at all.

1 month ago Up 0 | Reply

Anonymous

its 999

7 months ago Up 0 | Reply

Anonymous

999

7 months ago Up 0 | Reply

Anonymous

I had to return mine because it didn't come with a place to insert the kcups. How can they expect anyone to use this thing?

5 months ago Up 0 | Reply

Anonymous

I think this machine makes coffee without beans //@anonymous: I had to return mine because it didn't come with a place to insert the kcups. How can they expect anyone to use this thing?

5 months ago Up 0 | Reply

Anonymous

Puahahhahahahaha. Indeed //@Anonymous: I think this machine makes coffee without beans //@anonymous: I had to return mine because it didn't come with a place to insert the kcups. How can they expect anyone to use this thing?

2 days ago Up 0 | Reply

Anonymous

This is better than a macbook neo

1 day ago Up 0 | Reply